Newcomers Session
22nd May 2023
11:30 a.m.
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MIRJAM KUHNE: Welcome everyone, we'll wait maybe another minute to see if more people are coming in but this is a very large room, so it looks like it's a little empty on one side but we have a lot of people here. I think we have over 200 registrations from newcomers, and I don't know how many people have checked in by now but I see more people are still coming in.
So this is the newcomers' session if that's what you're here for, then that's the correct room.
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My name is Mirjam Kuhne, I am the RIPE Chair but I'll tell you more about it in a second.
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We can start!
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I wanted to ask you first ‑‑ I can't really see you very well ‑‑ but I wanted to ask a few questions. How many of you here are from the Netherlands? A fair share, that makes sense. How many of you are students? Oh, great. We want new people and young people. And how many of you have participated in the online session that was presented two weeks ago? There will be a little overlap but it's not going to be too boring, I hope, for those who are participated in the other session already.
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And also we have remote participants, I don't see that from here but I believe, Niall, he will be there for you, who are participating remotely and I hope you also feel welcome and feel included in the session.
So, let's get started
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Welcome to RIPE 86. This is actually the second time we are in Rotterdam, we had a meeting here in the RIPE 79 just before the pandemic, there was a last meeting before we went online. The first meeting took place in Amsterdam so we can have a habit to come back to the Netherlands from time to time because that's where it all started and that's where the RIPE NCC is located and they are doing, of course, a bulk of the organisation here for the meeting.
My name is Mirjam, I am from Germany originally, from Berlin, I studied computer science in Berlin but I also live in Amsterdam for more than half my life, I think, by now. And I have been selected the RIPE Chair in 2020. So, I kind of started right in the pandemic. We had a few online meetings but now I have chaired like two physical meetings already since then.
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And we also have a Vice ‑‑ we also have a Vice‑Chair, Niall O'Reilly who is sitting right there. He has been involved for even longer, and has been involved in the RIPE community also for a long time and he will also help you with questions that you have on Meetecho, and there is his e‑mail address as well.
It's a bit of a blast from the past here, just for a bit of fun. I mean, some of you ‑‑ I don't know if some of you had the machine on the left, I didn't, I had an Atari when I started. But, what I found more interesting maybe is the one on the other side, this is actually the network diagram of the Internet in Europe at that time, in the early nineties when the RIPE community started. So at the time we would collect these maps, update these maps from time to time and there was a new link and everybody got excited, you know, a link from one country to another, and that was how we kept track of the network growing over time. You can't read it here but most of the networks at the time were academics and NREN networks, they were ‑‑ the community kind of almost got borne out of the academic and the NREN community and many of them are still involved and it's great to see a lot of students here now at the meeting.
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Niall, are we ready for a poll? Maybe I'll just do a show of hands then, at least here I don't know about the people on Meetecho, maybe they can put something in the chat. I just wanted to ask you yes or no: Do you know the difference between the RIPE and the RIPE NCC?
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Good, so this is not also not nothing, it's of half: Half. We'll explain this to you.
I'll start a bit with a quick overview of the difference here. So the RIPE community, which is basically what this meeting is all about, is the community meeting open to anybody, was formed in 1989 by a bunch of scientists and researchers, as I just mentioned, and it's still pretty much the same format except it's a bit bigger now, we have more Working Groups, more topics to discuss, but it's still a lot about information exchange and about coordination and collaboration and specifically about coordinating certain technical aspects of the way networks connect, right, because, you know, you have control over your network and your competitor maybe has control over the other network but how do you communicate with each other? There are obviously some aspects and parameters that need to be coordinated. That's how it all started and that's also where the policy development comes in where we are doing policy about you gets how many IP addresses, under which conditions, and that's all developed in the community in an open forum, anybody can participate, you don't have to be a member. You can come to the meetings, but there are also mailing lists.
Then we have the RIPE NCC, the RIPE ‑‑ or maybe I should say this all stands for. RIPE stands for Reseaux IP Europeens, which is French for European IP network and then the RIPE NCC is the RIPE network coordination centre was founded in 1992 by the RIPE community as the secretariat. So in the beginning, the community organised the meetings and somebody volunteered to host TTL mailing lists and somebody volunteered to write the first stance of the RIPE database and it grew big are and people thought we needed staff to handle all the logistics and the administrative support and that's how the RIPE NCC was founded in 1992. It then became a membership organisation and still is it today a membership organisation. It has become quite quickly after it was founded also the IP registry for the service region, so because the RIPE NCC had already earned all the trust by the community, it was providing good services, the community felt like it's only natural to ask the RIPE NCC also to do the distribution of IP addresses here in this region rather than having to go over to the US, for instance, at the time, where the IP addresses were handed out by IANA.
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The RIPE NCC has staff, paid staff. It has a Board and they get elected by the members and they are the ones ‑‑ the NCC and the NCC members are the ones who implement and follow the policies that are developed here by us, by the community in this open meeting.
So it's quite intricate but really well, you know, thought through relationship that's been worked for over 30 years now and it's a bit confusing sometimes during the week because there is also the members meeting on Wednesday, the General Meeting, there is the Managing Director of the RIPE NCC who will speak here in a second is and the Board members, they are all here, so we try to put those two entities, if you will, together that it's easier for everybody to participate.
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Coming back to the community here, to the meeting, there are a number of Working Groups that you will see also meeting during the week. I'm not going to go through all of them here, you can find information on the website and hopefully you already had sometime to prepare before the meeting so you know what you want to attend, and what the scope is and the charters and the current work items, and who the Chairs are and there is some new Chairs election also regularly in most of these Working Groups.
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But, as I said earlier, you don't even have to be here at the meeting. All of the Working Groups have mailing lists, and even though discussions might take place here during the meeting, all the decisions, particularly with regard to policy and consensus decisions, they are all confirmed on the mailing lists and most of the important information are on the mailing lists.
Have a look, subscribe to some of the lists, most of them have, it goes in waves, quiet and then a big topic happens and then there is some discussion, so it's not too much traffic. If you don't really know ‑‑ which topics to follow the RIPE list is a good place to start, it's usually where we make the general announcements and where topics that are of interest for the entire community are discussed.
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And there is a link to that with all the slides are online also, you can find it later.
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So, to come ‑‑ give a bit more information about this meeting, RIPE 86. We are already at 86. There is a meeting plan. You can find that on the badge but also online. Online is usually ‑‑ most up to date, so sometimes there is some small changes, for instance we changed the rooms for the BoF on Tuesday, you know, just in case you want to participate in one and have a look at the website and the meeting plan on the website is also interactive, you can click on them, on the items there and then you see the agendas of the sessions.
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Talking of BoFs. It stands for birds of a feather, that's basically we have an informal meeting, birds of a feather ‑‑ what was it flock together ‑‑ ‑‑ it was a kind of ‑‑ I always ‑‑ mostly I get it just right but a bit wrong.
Anyway, that's the way of people ‑‑ it's not a working group, it's just a one‑off meeting where people that have an interest in one specific topic comes together. Then we start with the ones on Tuesday, tomorrow, because they are this run of meetings that I mentioned, one is about artificial intelligence and what impact might that have on our community as network operators, and then there is another birds of a feather meeting also by ‑‑ organised by some participants from the IETF to kind of a partner organisation, they build the standards that most of the operators are then using, and so they are going to talk a bit about what they do and how to participate. And then today, Monday, there is a session called the best current operational practices task force. And that takes place at the end of the Plenary today as ‑‑ and they have some really interesting topics currently also to discuss, for instance, how we can learn from ‑‑ how to keep your network resilient and what experience people have made to have to rebuild their networks and how we learn from that.
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Another session I want to draw your attention to is on Thursday, so you'll see on the agenda there is Plenary Sessions mostly today, tomorrow, and then Wednesday and Thursday there are a working group sessions and then on Thursday afternoon there is a Community Plenary, like a wider Community Plenary, that's chaired by the RIPE Chair team, and then after that we have a session about the Diversity in Tech and this time we actually want to focus on age diversity, if you will, how to get more young people into the community, what can we do, you know, to feel ‑‑ to make you welcome, and to stay also involved and for you to be actively involved. There is also more information on the website.
There are a number of ways you can participate. Come to the the microphone and speak up and ask questions. You can also ‑‑ everything kind of works on this Meetecho app. You probably have seen and you registered you received a link and how to participate there.
You can join the audio queue, you can come to the mic or also ask questions in the Q&A. I'll explain this a bit more tomorrow in the Opening Plenary just so you can have a built of a preview and have a look at that Meetecho app because it might be new to you.
There is also a chat in Meetecho. So everything is kind of now coming together in this platform that you can use here on site but also people remotely can interact with, hopefully, a bit easier with those that are here in person.
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Why participate? I mean, you are already here so this comes a bit late. But I hear from others why this is useful, why it has been useful for people to participate. Obviously, especially for young people and people just started coming into this community, there are so many experts here and so much expertise on various topics related to networking, it's a really good source for you to tap into, and to find out more about any projects that you are interested in. And don't be shy and also, you know, don't be shy, for instance, to me ‑‑ I know a lot of people in the community ask me in I'm interested in a certain topic and I can try to find the right people to talk to. Of course we also have RIPE NCC staff here that Hans Petter is going to talk about, they can also help you.
It's, of course, a good way to build your career also, build networks with people that you, you know, might use in the future and thereby also help shape the Internet, you know, they are some important topics that we'll have to discuss also during this week.
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The Programme Committee is mostly responsible for the Plenary agenda, as I said today, tomorrow and a bit on Friday. There are some elections going on this week, so if you are already keen to join and work for actively, they are actually looking for two new members for the Programme Committee so you can nominate yourself or nominate someone else, and you can vote online during the week.
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This is the current Programme Committee. You'll see the faces but you can see them also in the investigations, they will be very visible. And you can also rate the talks which is a good way to provide feedback to the Programme Committee so they really like you to do that. You can even win a prize.
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Obviously we have a RIPE Code of Conduct, very important, you you should have seen that when you registered and kind of checked that you have read it. It's basically, you know, we are open and we are quite a diverse community in various aspects. Could be more diverse but it's quite diverse in various aspects already, and we want you to be open, respectful to everybody, listen to what others have to say, show tolerance and respect.
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Now, if you don't, there is a lot more ‑‑ this is just a snippet, it's not the full Code of Conduct but this is the main point. But if you experience anything that you don't like or you think violates the Code of Conduct, there is a team now actually I am super happy to announce this because it's the first actual real Code of Conduct team that we have here in the RIPE community. Most of them are here, Randy Bush unfortunately is only participating online, but he is also following and they have a mailing list, you can reach them and there is a form on the website, so, don't be shy. If there is anything that bothers you, you can contact them and report.
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As I said earlier, all of the features are basically on the Meetecho app. You can schedule meetings through that and find other attendees, and of course there is also an attendees list on the website that you can find the other attendees.
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Now, I skipped the most important part. The social events.
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We have quite a number of socials, the RIPE meetings are famous for their lively social events and there is of course a lot of coffee breaks and lunch time where you can meet others but there are some specific social events tonight. There is a welcome reception here in the venue. Tomorrow, there is a networking event, like a party, if you will, in the silo, it's an old grain silo not so far, a bit north from here. Then, on Thursday, we have a RIPE dinner on a boat that you can participate if you have tickets, so you need a special ticket for that one.
And on Wednesday it's the DIY social evening, so you can hang out, relax and rest or you can also of course meet with others and find something else.
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Last but not least, there is also especially for you who are students who come from academic background, there is a session tomorrow evening, I think just before the social starts, that you might be interested in participating in.
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There is the feedback form. Maybe you can, you know, collect your thoughts during the week and give us some feedback later, I think that would be really helpful for us.
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And of course, if you need any other support, there is a meeting team, this is Alex, she is also there running around, you'll see her, she is our main contact and there is an e‑mail address you can reach, meeting [at] ripe [dot] net.
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And these are the people in the red shirts, do we have any meet and greet people here in the rooms? There are people with red shirts but they are not the meet and greet staff but they have hoodies and they are walking around and there is also a meet‑and‑greet desk. You can ask them anything, they know at least how to find the answer, if they don't know by themselves. So...
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And that's all from me, and there is also a section here from the RIPE NCC, as I said we have a lot of staff here this time because the office is in Amsterdam so it was a good opportunity for the RIPE NCC staff to come and meet the community so you will meet many of them here in the hallways and they are also there to help, they have some great staff and great expertise and I would like to hand it over to the Managing Director of the RIPE NCC, Hans Petter Holen who is going to tell you more about the RIPE NCC.
HANS PETTER HOLEN: Thank you Mirjam. So I'm Hans Petter Holen and I'm the Managing Director for the RIPE NCC and I have been so for three years now.
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Mirjam already told you about the RIPE community and how RIPE NCC was set up in 1992 as a membership organisation, and to support the RIPE community. But also the regional Internet registry for Europe, Middle East and central Asia and we're doing other interesting services like Atlas, RIS and so on that are important for all of you and everybody who operates an Internet not only in our service region but across the whole globe in order to measure the quality of the service and also see how their routes can be viewed in other parts of the world.
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The community sets policy. We implement them. So you are part of the community, you can participate in the policy discussions. We are here to implement them.
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The RIPE NCC has a strategic plan. First rand foremost, we're here to support an open, inclusive and engaged RIPE community.
Then, secondly, operate a trusted, efficient, accurate and resilient registry.
And then the third part is to enable our members and community to operate one secure, stable and resilient global Internet.
And then of course, for any organisation, we need to have a robust governance system, we need to have financial control, we need to have a good Board elected by the members and so on. We need to interact with the government so that we stay within laws and regulations.
And none of this is possible unless we attract engaged and competent and diverse staff in order to run our business.
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Among the 180‑something staff that we have now, I think we are from 40 different nationalities so we are truly an international team.
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The registry maintains the RIPE Database, so anybody can look into the registry and see who has been allocated and assigned different Internet number resources, be it IPv4 addresses, IPv6 addresses or ASN numbers.
We allocate and manage Internet number resources through an LIR portal, so as a member and with a local Internet registry you can manage your resources there directly online.
We investigate hijacks and policy violations. And we support and facilitate the policy development process with the community and our policy development officer, Angela, will talk a bit more about that later.
And then one of the most important projects from a security point of view is the RPKI project and service that we have been running for quite some years now.
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We also have information services. We maintain the world's largest Internet measurement system, Atlas, with more than 10,000 probes where you can run your own measurements. We have a rooting collector that collects BGP roots from multiple places in the world so you can see how your rooting is there. We have an interactive IP Map that you can use to see, visualise things on the map and you can use RIPEstat as an interface to look into all of this.
In addition, we operate one of the route name servers, k‑root, which is one of the 13 route name servers, and I think now the latest stats, it's more than 1,700 different instances of route services around the world. So while it's 13 different instances operated by 12 different organisations, it's a hugely redundant system. The RIPE NCC operates a bit more than 100 instances but in total it's more than 1,700. And we do also delegate reverse DNS zones for the address space that we allocate and we run some secondary DNS for members.
I mentioned RPKI. So, if you know your BGP routing, you set up your router so announce to your neighbours which addresses you have in your network so that they can send traffic to you. Now, RPKI is a framework on top of that where you make a statement that ASNX, your ASN, is authorised to announce your prefix. And then we apply a digital signature to that so that you sign that with your private key so that everybody else can validate that routing announcement is valid and this is really important to increase security in the Internet. It's not enough to secure everything, but it's one very important step there.
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So, if you are interested in that Routing Working Group, talk to us in the corridors.
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Community and engagement:
So, as any organisation providing services, we need to interact with our members or our customers. We organise RIPE meeting, regional meetings and other events. So this is our biggest event, the RIPE meeting, maybe more than 800 people will turn up. But we also do regional events. So, to bring all of our members into a central location, it may not always be possible, so we have regional events in the Middle East, in central Europe, in central Asia and so on. And we do even more local events in order to reach out to all of our members. We offer training courses, e‑learning and professional certifications. We contribute to public policy and Internet governance discussions. We publish and curate articles on RIPE Labs. So if you have something interesting to share, you can publish that on RIPE Labs, and we run the RIPE NCC community project fund so if you have an interesting project that can benefit Internet at large, then you can apply for funding from that fund. It's a community committed that makes the selections.
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I have a team managing the RIPE NCC with me. You will see many of them here on stage, Felipe will present in the Services Working Group, he is the new chief technology officer. We're looking for a new chief registry officer. Hisham is at our Dubai office; he is, unfortunately, not here but he is participating online. Elinor Ostroma, she started last year, she is here, Chief Information Security Officer. Simone, our CFO, is managing all aspects of our finances and sends out the invoice, so if you haven't paid your invoice, then please do so. Arlene Vos is our Chief HR Officer, and Athina Fragkouli, our Chief Legal Officer, and Daniella my executive assistant is keeping track on us all to make sure we do our work.
We have an Executive Board, that oversees the work, approves the strategy, approves the activity plan and budget. And you can see a picture of them here. If you are a member, you may have registered for the General Meeting this Wednesday, and you can then vote at the election, three of the Board members are up for election this year.
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We do have a service desk here, a help desk where you can meet my colleagues who are able to help you with any business with the RIPE NCC, and we really mean, please get in touch with us if you have any questions or need any help.
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I mentioned the General Meeting. It's a separate meeting on Wednesday. You need to be registered for that. You can do that as a member and there is a separate registration which I believe this time opens tomorrow so you don't have to rush on Wednesday to do that. Members can vote online, so it's the vote starts at the end of the meeting and goes on until Friday. So we really expect votes in the thousands here, which is really good for the accountability of the organisation.
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And then, I'll hand over to Angela to talk more about the policy development process. So Angela, the stage is yours.
ANGELA DALL'ARA: Thank you, Hans Petter, and good morning everybody and welcome also from my side to all the newcomers. I have heard that we have many this time, so it's always a pleasure to add to have new colleagues joining us.
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So, I am Angela Dall'Ara, I joined the RIPE NCC in 2014 as an Internet resource analyst and for the last three years I am the policy development process officer or policy officer or policy development officer. There are still various definitions of my position.
What do I to do? I'm acting, actually, as a bridge between the RIPE community and the RIPE NCC for what is concerning the policy development process. As you heard, it's everything about participation. So, you heard already about the Working Groups, mailing list, and discussions of policy proposals. So, what happens is, you can always have a good idea, you can always see something that is not making you totally happy with a policies as they are, you can contact the Working Group Chairs with your ideas, or you can also contact me if you are not sure to which Working Group your proposal could go.
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So, first of all, I'm here to tell you please don't be shy, don't hesitate to contact me if you want more information about how the policy development process works. If your request would be in compliance with a certain policy, if there is something that you would like to do in terms of policies and you don't know how to start.
Also, what I would like to tell you: Don't think that you need to be a writer, don't think that you need to be super expert in how to write a policy. We have wonderful colleagues in our Coms department that are going to help you, so it is something that we can help you with and we can support you with.
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What is important, again, is that whenever you have an opinion, whenever you have ‑‑ you see something that needs to be corrected or reached with more details in a discussion, please post it, please let the community know which is your idea, which is your opinion, because a reached discussion is always helpful to have a good decision at the end for what is concerning the consensus about the policy proposal.
Each Working Group has Working Group Chairs that are tasked with deciding if a policy proposal has consensus from the community and, if you do not manifest your opinion, this task becomes very difficult for them. So, I'm here to encourage you to participate.
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And talking about policy proposals, we have three policy proposals at the moment active in our region. Two are under discussion in the Address Policy Working Group and one is under discussion in the NCC Services Working Group. The first two are regarding two reserved pools of IPv4 addresses. One for the IXPs and one for the temporary assignments. So the first policy is proposing to ‑‑ the first proposal is suggesting to reduce the IXP assignments from a /24 to a /26 in order to prolong the lifetime of the reserved pool. And the second policy proposal is about temporary assignments. In this case, they would like to offer the possibility to receive a routable sub‑net even if ‑‑ so a /24 at least even when the utilisation is not sufficient in compliance with the current policy.
So if you have an opinion, please join the Working Group, the Address Policy Working Group on Wednesday morning and state your opinion and especially state it on the mailing list.
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The third policy is about the voluntary transfer log that would offer the option to all the resource holders to temporarily prevent the transfer of the resources specifying which resources in order of allocations and PI assignments.
All these policies are open for discussion until after the RIPE meeting. So, if you're not subscribed to the mailing list, please do so, and you can check the previous posts and the discussions in the archives and state your opinion and help reach consensus or not, depending on which are the opinions stated.
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If you have any questions about policy development process, how to participate, how the process is done internally have you present the policy proposal or something like that, please approach me here at the RIPE meeting, or you can send me an e‑mail at pdo [at] ripe [dot] net and I will be very happy to help you.
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And with this one, I hope I convinced you to participate and I leave again the word to might have item. Thank you.
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MIRJAM KUHNE: Thank you Angela. This is a lot of information, I understand, you know, to take in the very first day of your RIPE meeting, but you don't have to remember all this. The main point is for you to see, you know, some of the faces and that you can then approach us during the week if you have any questions.
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Do you have any questions now? I don't know if anybody is ‑‑ I don't see the Meetecho questions here. I don't know if there is anyone who has any questions online. I don't see anyone in the room.
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Now, if there are no questions for us, we do actually have questions for you. I believe there is something ‑‑ there is a quiz.
Kahoot!!!
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And if all goes well our Kahoot master, Gerardo Viviers, will be heard from the off somehow.
GERARDO VIVIERS: It's really tight here between the screen and the projector.
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So, let's get this party started.
Welcome everybody to RIPE 86 newcomers Kahoot quiz. Get your engines started. I am your quizmaster. We are broadcasting today from the edge of the RIPE NCC network, I can see so many ASes from here.
When you sign up remember to put your membership number and your nickname and we can find to you give any prizes that we might have in store for you.
There is a game PIN there. All you have to do is go to kahoot.it or use the Kahoot app and just put in the game pin. Put in a really funny nickname if you want to, then you'll see how much fun we can all have.
The goal of the quiz is to let you check your knowledge. Let's see how much you remember from everything that was said!!!
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That's right, everything that was said. I'm going to show you about 12 questions with four possible answers, and the person who answers the fastest so the right answer gets the most points in that round. At the end we are going to have a bit of... we're going to have a winner, the person with the most points in all the rounds gets to win the game of course.
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So, let me repeat how we play the game. I am going to show you about 12 questions about what has just been presented and you have to choose one of the possible answers.
The person who gets the right answer the fastest is ‑‑ gets the most points. You see people are still signing up. Let's give it a few more times, and let's start counting down.
5, 4, 3, 2, 1!!!!
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I'm going to allow you all to sign up because it is really fun to play. I see we have around 112 people. Amazing!
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Okay, I think we should get this party started. We're going to start now.
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Let's start this game:
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Welcome to the RIPE 86 newcomers quiz. The first question will appear. And the first question is multi‑select. Where can you find the RIPE NCC support desk?
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And the right answer is on SpacialChat and in the coffee break area. Mostly in the coffee break area of course.
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Onto the scoreboard. There is the list.
Next question:
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Who makes RIPE policies?
We just heard Angela talk all about it. And the possible answers are as follows:
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Trick question here! The correct answer is RIPE, of course.
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Next question:
Does RIPE have a Secret Working Group?
These are the possible answers:
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The correct answer is: If it's a secret, we would never tell!
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So, onto the next question:
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Who is the RIPE Chair?
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The answer is: Mirjam Kuhne.
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Onto the next question:
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What does NCC stand for?
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One of these is the right answer.
The answer is: Network co‑ordination centre.
On to the next question:
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You need to become a member to join...
The answer is: The RIPE NCC.
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On to the next question:
Which of these came first?
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This is really interesting because all of these happened in the same year. Just a couple of days or weeks apart from each other.
So, the answer is: RIPE 1.
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The scoreboard is as follows:
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Question No. 8:
Which organisation was the first regional Internet registry?
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And the answer is: The RIPE NCC was the first Internet regional registry ever.
The scoreboard!
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Question No. 9: Who implements RIPE policies?
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Once a RIPE policy has been made, written, discussed, approved, etc., who will implement it?
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The answer is: The RIPE NCC. Everybody should participate in the discussions. The RIPE Chair will help with helping people getting things done and RIPE of course makes the policies but it's the RIPE NCC who has to implement them for you.
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Scoreboard!
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Onto the next question:
What does the RIPE PC do?
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And the answer is: Choose the presentations for the RIPE meeting Plenary Sessions.
If you want to present at the Plenary session, do talk Programme Committee.
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So, scoreboard!
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On to the question No. 11. We only have two more questions so you'd better hurry up.
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Which of these is not a RIPE Working Group?
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And the answer is: Big data.
We have a DNS Working Group, we have an IoT Working Group, we have an Open Source Working Group but we have no big data Working Group. And probably that's fine.
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On to the scoreboard!
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Last question, last chance:
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True or false: Working Groups discuss RIPE policies on mailing lists!
Is it true or is it false?
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The answer is of course true: The Working Group will discuss the RIPE policies on mailing lists. Of course you can also discuss them at the RIPE meetings but the question was Working Groups discuss RIPE policies on mailing list, true or false? And the answer is true!
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So let's check the total scores of everybody.
And No. 1 we have rsc_305. Congratulations.
So, thank you everybody for playing. We hope you had fun and learned something new. Enjoy RIPE 86, and the day you did not learn something was a day that was lost.
MIRJAM KUHNE: Thank you quizmaster. Did I forget to mention we are also here to have some fun, so this was first good moment of fun. I hope we'll have some more fun during the week and next on the agenda is lunch. We're a little early so you have some time to find the lunch room which is outside there, you'll see it, it's the main room from the coffee break area. There are some tables marked with 'newcomers', so that you know ‑‑ you can find space there but you don't have, to the idea of course is you meet each other, you also meet the not newcomers but if you want, you know, you can find space at the newcomers tables there. And I hope you'll have a good week. Don't hesitate to contact ‑‑ to approach any of us if you have any questions during the week, and I wish you a great and successful week.
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